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barnicle. we have johnny deutch, we have "new york times" reporters jeremy peters. we've got a lot to get to today. our conversation with oprah winfrey, we'll is that today and the director of the film. what oprah reveals about her role that lee daniels never wanted anyone to hear. plus did you guys see this on the front page of the "new york times"? it's about ambien. anyone take ambien? i did. i stopped. >> it's about you driving to work. >> i did that. >> the fda is being pushed now and they're acting on it to look at when you take these sleep aids, like ambien and others,

and there are lots on the market, they want to look at how safely it puts people to sleep and also have they wake up. i'll tell you from personal experience -- am i really the only person at the table that's taken an ambien? >> you are the amelia earhart of ambien. >> i'm the woman at the table who did all the bad shifts and you all said, nope, not going to do it. >> have you had any bad experiences? >> a couple. i have talked to a lot of people who have taken it. the eating. >> if you wake up early, you have no recollection of what went on. people come down to the kitchen with three boxes of count

chocula gone. >> nutella, which is unfortunate because i have no memory and i love nutella. i spoke to a "60 minutes" correspondent who said you should do a piece on this because at some point they'll find a common link between ambien and strange behaviors that people don't know about. >> they already are. jeremy, have you ever taken an ambien? >> i have and just like you i stopped because of the exact reasons that are outlined in the story. >> thank you. thank you. aren't you a nice person. you all are a bunch of -- >> what did you want us to say? >> i will give you a list of drugs -- >> we don't have time for that. it only a three-hour show.

>> i want to say a year or more ago. i can't ever -- i'd just rather not sleep than risk -- >> what are we on now? >> we're on tv actually. all right. let's raise the bar and talk about anthony weiner, shall we? we're going to start with he's lagging in the polls but that does not mean he's not going out of this face without a fight. i don't know why people keep writing puns into the script and i'm not going to read them. cut it out! in last night's first mayoral debate, the candidates largely stayed away from weiner's online escapades, though the issue did come up during an exchange with christine quinn. take a look. >> here's the profound difference is i've apologized for my personal behavior.

the speaker refuses to apologize for overturning the will of the people, for the slush fund scandal and for things in her professional record. that's the difference, i've owned up to my personal failings but i have a record that i'm proud of and i'm going to be honest with the citizens and that's not something the speaker can say. >> i think it's very clear to all new yorkers that neither me nor anybody else on this stage or any new yorker should be lectured by anthony weiner about what we need to apologize for now or ever. >> weiner has dropped another six points and now barely has double-digit support. there's a clinton angle we'll get to.

bill deblasio we'll talk to today. i think christine quinn has gone above and beyond what is fair politics. between sort of the aftermath of stop & frisk and some of the policies he's pushed that i love that haven't worked or gone through, there may be a move away from bloomberg. >> there's two things hurting her. all politics is pendulums. bloomberg only won by five points last time to unknown bill thompson and people were pissed about it. and as the anti-bloomberg, which

is de blasio -- >> i disagree with that. he's bon t he's been on the right side of -- >> christine quinn, people vote for who they like and there are just a lot of people who do not like her. you talk to a lot of people, men and women, and they just don't like her. >> i think what's interesting is that de blasio has been on the right side of every issue and he's really picking up the issue and his calls for really addressing the schools with the right way in preschool is really resonating. he had the sick leave, got that

exactly right and stop & frisk, and got that exactly right. >> got it right according to him. there are a lot of new yorkers, myself included, who is a moderate and liberal but who has recognized the tougher right of center of giuliani and who work for the city. >> when he talks about the tale of two cities, he has a strong point. >> it's clear that everyone is painting christine quinn as a fourth term of bloomberg. >> which is what she wanted, isn't it? >> she was speaker of city council and that's being hung around her neck as well. >> interesting balance. >> there was also a follow-up to weiner's suggestion on monday that he knew what role his wife would play on hillary clinton's 2016 presidential campaign. we played this yesterday but

it's worth looking at again. i definitely saw it the way everyone else did, that he's now turning on it. >> is huma still working on the campaign? >> she's helping out every day. >> do you know what her role in hillary's 2016 campaign is going to be? >> i do. >> and what will it be? >> i'm not telling you. >> so last night the former congressman was asked about that and he tried to dispel the notion. take a look. >> if you read the transcript the question is do i know what my wife is doing. it was a joke. if you ever heard yes but if i tell you i'd have to kill you, it was a joke. >> hillary's camp said he has no

inclu -- they have no clue what weiner was talking about. >> they've had 12 years in new york of less of an imperial mayor, someone rich enough to do whatever he thought was right to do for the city. and he's done that. and now you seem to pick up the fact that people are grasping for who's more like me? whether it's de blasio but it not christine quinn. >> do you think sexual orientation has anything to do with it? >> no. >> no. >> i don't know. shouldn't. >> it shouldn't. >> if i can chime in for a second.

what's interesting in watching weiner these last couple of days is what you see on his face is this real discomfort, this fatigue. i think he's tired of it, i think the voters are tired of it. if you looked at that panel, that debate last night, the people on the stage are actually saying we don't want you here. we don't want to be asked about you anymore. i think this is really taking a toll not just on the voters but on anthony weiner himself. that's problematic for himself because one of the assets he's had going for him is this tirelessness and he just looks tired. >> we were talking about that yesterday. he looks defeated. >> he keeps almost walking up to the line of having almost a howard dean moment that will be the -- >> i got a couple more political stories and then two really awkward political stories that i may as well do.

really, you all are going to be uncomfortable. and then we're going to move on to the merger and obama care. cory booker took a major step toward becoming new jersey's next u.s. senator with a commanding victory in the state's democratic primary. with 98% reporting, booker won a clear majority with nearly 60% of new jersey democrats supporting the mayor from nuke. >> they say that i, they say that we are being naive. to them i say have you ever met us? do you know where i've been working for the last 17 years? do you know that -- do you know that this is newark, new jersey and we don't do naive? >> he'd do better if he was just holding a baby, doesn't you think? he faces republican steve lonigan who is gearing up for

the october special election. >> americorpsy booker has an advantage. he's been anointed by hollywood. the hollywood elite have descended from their penthouse apartments in the belaire hotel, from the heights of the hollywood hills to come to new jersey to tell us who our next u.s. senator will be. >> moving on to awkward now. san diego mayor bob filner. >> our guy. >> yeah. >> how is he still mayor? >> incredible. >> i was going to put this in news you can't use, submit it to your list -- >> it belongs there. >> it does. >> well, hold on. he's facing a host of criticism obviously. people are calling on him to resign. now a restaurant chain is getting into the mix. >> not just any restaurant chain. >> hooters. hooters restaurant in the san

diego area, they've posted signs saying they will not serve him. >> can you imagine being banned from hooters? >> seriously, a restaurant that focusses on boobs. they won't let a boob in now. a sign of respect for women? i'm laughing at hooters right now. i'm moving on. it's stupid. in detroit -- what a show. >> it's where capitalism, pop culture, first amendment, politics all come together. sometimes there's a moment of clarity. that was that moment. >> i'm holding my script close to my face because i'm legal live blind and my contacts don't work right now. in detroit a police commander has mistakenly released a document -- >> oh, come on! come on!

look at this. >> i'm going to the merger. go ahead. >> the police department has mistakenly released a document containing the bra size of several female officers in an of the to say who has received bullet-proof vests. come on. come on! >> now back to you. >> hello, san diego. >> hello, san diego. >> all right, we're going to -- >> i have to ask the question because i'm a journalist. >> are you? >> it's a vest. female vest. >> i regret all of this. >> i would like to go back to 6

a.m. east coast and rerack the tape. >> we also want to talk about possible fed choices and the obama care story. >> industry officials are surprised of the move that would prevent the creation of the world's largest airline. nbc's tom costello reports. >> reporter: for months us airways and american have been promoting the move as positive for their customers. attorneys general from six states moved to block the deal saying the airline would be too big. >> they tend to contract the market. you have less routes, less choice, higher prices, less people trying to please you. they don't need to please you. >> reporter: some passenger rights advocates are applauding.

>> we lost competition across the country. that's what i was really concerned about. >> reporter: the government argues the merged airline would dramatically cut competition since they compete directly on a thousand routes already. but american and us airways say they complete on just 12 routes. they plan to fight it saying blocking this precompetitive merger will deny customers access to a broader airline network that gives them more choices. >> too many planes and too many players. unless they can tighten up profitability, it's going to be a badly existing industry. >> reporter: is it good for passengers who now pay more for luggage, leg room, even sodas?

>> if they are no longer competitive, i would be happy. >> if they're not providing the service or routes, people will go to another airline. >> it will be another full year before the government limits out-of-pocket costs for health care provisions. they delayed the law that cap what people pay for co-payments. the administration felt employer needed more time to implement the policies because their computer systems needed to be upgraded. advocate groups say the delay will have a significant impact since some will be allowed to set higher limits over the next year. the delay follows a separate decision to delay the employer mandates. the government may also change

that law for a big increase for premiums for congress. tea party senators want the party to embrace the idea as a way to once again counter the president's law. >> jeremy, it looks like senator mcconnell goes up against ted cruz and his wing of the party who wants to shut down the government as a way to defund medicare. mitch mcconnell effectively saying, guys, it's going to get funded one way or another, a shut down is not healthy for the party. where is the party on this perceived risk on this issue? >> i think that more and more republicans are coming out every day and saying exactly what mitch mcconnell said and saying let's cool it here, this is not a fight we want to have. we don't want to go through what newt gingrich went through.

i heard somebody -- a prominent democrat said yesterday this sounds like the contract with america all over again and we're just fine with that. there was also a comment in "the national review" that was really interesting. eric cantor essentially said the same thing. you have a real reluctance to shut down the government and fight a battle that essentially the republicans feel they will lose. >> so where do those like rubio who have stepped out on that ledge? >> they're not backing down. ted cruz, i saw him speak on saturday in iowa and he is just as fired up and the crowds going to see him are just as fired up as i've ever seen them. i think it's a base galvanizing issue, beyond that, whether or

not it actually moves policy in congress is questionable. >> there are fast food companies now saying they're not going to hire as many workers because of the cost of obama care. it's a balance of trying to get health care to the american people, which i venture to say most people feel that americans should have access to health care. i guess there are some that don't. but for the most part given the fact that that's what we're trying to accomplish here, what's thing about picture? >> the big picture is underneath all of this, there's a very important positive change happening, which is being noticed by the specialist but not be noticed generally. the rise of health care costs is slowing right now and obama care is actually playing an important role in that. the whole system of how reimbursement is done in this country, which has been incredibly wasteful and abusive is getting squeezed and coming up under control.

so they're changing the way hospitals are reimbursed. if a patient is readmitted too soon, the hospital doesn't get reimbursed for the service. the hospitals in new york city are saying we have to figure out ways to do a better job to attend to these patients so they don't come back for high-cost hospitalization and we're seeing on the ground around "new york times," for example, tremendous, novel, innovative approaches for better health care being pushed by this that are going to lower costs. but it's a slow moving story. it's not in the headlines right now but it's actually happening in a very important way. >> we're five years into this, americans are against it. do the average americans understand what obama care is? >> the average member of congress doesn't understand. the changes were implemented august 1st? that's a key date. >> that's a key date but already because of changes in reimbursement, now the hospitals are waking up and saying we have

to provide lower cost ways to serve the community so they don't come into the hospitals because we're not getting reimbursed anymore. so it's very quiet, it's long term, it's below the headlines right now something good is happening and that cost curve is starting to tip downward. >> coming up on "morning joe" from the new film "the butler" our conversation with oprah winfrey and lee daniels. we'll talk about the film and the changes at own that have the film pulling in a profit well before expected. and up next, the top stories in the blit capolitical play book. but first the weather. bill? >> it's sweater weather. >> is at that trip?

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. all right. it's 27 past the hour. time now to take a look at the morning papers. we'll start with the wall street journal. apple got a huge boost from billionaire investor carl icahn yesterday. he tweeted his investment group had a large stake in apple and he believes the company is extremely undervalued. the stock instantly jumped and by the end of the day it finished up 5%. m the interview he said he believes the stock is worth at least $625 a shire and would like to see the stock fee up more cash. >> you know what great, you're a guy like icahn and by stocks and it goes up. >> nothing to do with icahn, if we're going to have stop & frisk in new york, make sure you hit wall street, too.

>> and frank deangelis will retire after 24 years of service. he promised to remain principal until all students involved in the tragedy graduated and he fulfilled that last year. >> and soda, candy can actually be toxic to your health. 25% extra sugar a day, equal to three additional cans of soda a day, female mice died at 25% more than male and while men were less likely to reproduce.

>> isn't this study interesting? >> it is. >> and look at what's happening to money. they're changing. i'm not going to go further because i know you guys will think i'm still on ambien. i thought this study was really interesting and it says something about -- i mean, we look at hormones and food and we wondering what's happening with i don't think people and why they're developing in certain ways, while young women are developing earlier. and men are -- >> i had a mouse in front of me in stop & shop yesterday and up should have seen the junk it had in the cart. >> this is one of the cases where i sound crazy. >> you're not crazy. we have a worldwide epidemic. >> bunch of idiots. >> you're right on track. >> these are exactly the people you want to win the lottery. co-workers from ocean county new jersey working at the municipal garage claim their stake of the $448 million powerball jackpot.

three of the winners were directly impacted by super storm sandy. each will take home $3.8 million after taxes. >> my fellow americans. this is my best outfit but we're a happy bunch, a group. we're very happy, happy, happy, as some of my friends would say i'm just going to continue watching nascar racing on sunday. maybe i'll be at my log cabin on multiple acres of land and i don't want to be -- i could stay up here and talk to y'all. i didn't do it. >> i love that guy. >> okay. >> perfect. >> there was a woman who lost her home. >> she lost her home. >> that's really nice. and i'm not a lotto crazy person. >> every single person showed up at work the next day and they worked the week since they won

$3.8 million. >> i worked for publisher's clearinghouse and they would follow people for the years. the people that quit their jobs, their lives blew up. the people who continued their lives were good. >> that makes a lot of sense. >> and mike al i don't knlen isa look at his famous play book. >> she's trying to evoke voter outrage over mike enzi. what did liz cheney say? >> we got the first clue about high l how liz cheney is going to run against mike enzi. we got a clue about how she's going to run and she's going to try to run as a washington outsider. she's going to try and run

against washington. now, that's a little hard when you're a former principal deputy assistant secretary of state and the daughter of dick and lynn cheney, but that is how she's planning to run. she's going against this agreement that allows the government to keep subsidizing health care for members of congress and their staffs and mentioned she's going online, a petition. that's the way politicians collect e-mail addresses so they can later solicit contributions and you can work and vote for them. mike enzi is firing back saying he's against this deal that this was an administration agreement and in the statement we got the first sort of really nasty words in this race. he said that he didn't need advice from candidates cheney. >> mike, real quick, we've had about a month or so from this announcement from liz cheney to settle in here, she's laid low for a few weeks.

how is it play in wyoming. does she have a chance. mike enzi have won with a big percentage of the vote. >> people i've talked to said it would be a real upset if she won. it's a small state, that makes it unpredictable. she can raise a lot of money. it is possible she can pull this off. i think one hit you may see on her is you may see the enzi folks saying this is liz cheney's summer vacation. she's going around the state discovering everything for the first time. of course on her web site she calls herself a fourth generation wyomingan. you have to read way down in her bu biography she once lived here in new york. >> she did. >> and tom brady.

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l.a. dodgers. 39-8 since june the 27nd. >> and two months ago they were talking about getting rid of johnny baseball. >> the o's and d'backs. the d'backs are chasing the dodgers. top of the fourth, chris davis, the big slugger for the 0s pa h matches his 44th home run. paul goldschmidt, that sends it to extra innings. to the 11th, goldschmidt again. thank you for the teammates who show their appreciation by first shoving dirt down the back of his jersey. >> what? >> then in the postgame interview, they rain down a couple of buckets of bubble gum on his head. wow. it was a trifecta. >> the poor girl, having to back

off. >> how about the red sox and jays in toronto, top of the 11th. shane victorino comes up with a big hit, red sox win 6-4. the rays lost last night to the mariners. boston announced four games ahead of tampa bay. >> tom brady is indeed one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game, he's married to one of the most beautiful women on the plan net gisele. >> okay. >> so here he is during the patriots' preseason game. i don't know. i'm just reading -- i didn't read this. a young lady i guess walks by. come on, he's entitled, a glance and a little smile. >> what? no. you're reading into that. >> that was actually the first time i've seen that. maybe it was a teammate he was

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a live look at capitol hill. time now for the must read opinion pages. for that i'm going to turn to

jeffrey sachs and tune you guys out. i'm closing my office door because i played into your tendency with the detroit story. we'll talk about the feds here. jump in, please, if you feel. first of all, there's a debate about the who next fed chair should be and some push back. and you write "financial integrity, the first requirement for the fed." the current deer bait over the fed chairmanship displays the ethical emptiness at the top of u.s. political and financial power. you might think financial integrity would loom large in the election of the fed chair yet the concept of financial integrity doesn't even enter the discussion. you think larry summers is prolonging that conversation? >> well, here's the problem. the president says he's considering the new chair of the

fed a crucial position. according to policies on inflation and unemployment. but the fed does a third thing, which is absolutely essential and that's to oversee and regulate and supervise the banking sector. every time larry summers has done that, he's been a friend with bailouts and bonuses. that's why many on wall street are saying go for summers. the rest of us are saying are you kidding? aren't we going to have some regulation after we saw what happened with this disaster in 2008 with all this unfairness. and where is the president on all this? the president hasn't been defined the job properly. the job is to regulate the banking sector. >> it's not just wall street. it's the president of the united states. the president knows how the financial collapse happened. why would he get behind larry summers if he thought he wasn't

going to fix that. >> because the bankers are telling him that's the guy we want, he good for deregulation, he's good for a bailout, he'll going to keep regulators off our back. everyone outside of wall street are saying don't do it again, it's time for a person who doesn't come from wall street through the revolving doors. i can't believe he's even considering summers after this. >> a searing piece by maureen dowd. "the idea being pushed by the boys club around president obama and the bullying cool kid, some of the wall street ties, larry's loyal former protege aside, it evokes the sexism of complacen y

complacency, just a bunch of alpha males who all flatter each other. >> it raise as good point and one that you're hearing voiced among senate democrats. another important constituency is the senate, which is going to have to ultimately approve whom ever the president selects. and the concern about summers, as voiced by some of the most prominent democratic women in the senate, people like patty murray of washington, dianne feinstein of california, and i think it's an open question just how seriously the president takes a letter from senate democrats complaining about a potential pick, a pick that he hasn't even made yet, but i think it will weigh on his decision in some respect. >> all right. we'll follow that. we've heard a lot of reasons why larry summers should be the choice on this show as well. other news to get to, new clashes in egypt overnight. the muslim brotherhood is claiming dozenis of its

supporters are dead. eamon, take it away. >> good morning. this was something we've been worrying about and talking about for the past several weeks. the police threatening to break up these two major sit-in protests. shortly after 7:30 local time, armored carriers and hundreds of troops moved in on these two groups. the other one is an ongoing situation and that's where a lot of casualties are being reported. according to the government, official death toll stands at 15 but bodies by independent journalists and others put that number at 40 and the muslim brotherhood say it could be as high as 300. but across the country, a very

volatile situation, egyptian military being deployed on the outskirts of cairo. they have suspended training operations and the major concern on everyone's mind is this type of violence could spread not only to cairo but other cities and we're getting reports that police and crowds are clashing in cities beyond cairo. >> thank you. where is this going? >> this is a disaster. it was predicted but was not predicted in washington. this coup is leading to brutality. it should have been called out from the beginning. we haven't stopped aid -- >> don't call it a coup. >> exactly. we haven't even called it a coup. it's horrible. >> still ahead, bill de blasio

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all right, willy, you're right. top of the shower, we're going to reset. i have contacts in. it's amazing. welcome back to "morning joe." joining us from washington, columnist kathleen parker. great to see you, kathleen. >> hey, mika, good morning. good to see you.

>> and joining us on the set -- >> she's here now. >> i want to get to kathleen's fabulous piece, which this story leads into. just because anthony wean ser l -- weiner is lagging in the polls does not mean he's going to give up without a fight. the candidates largely stayed away from weiner's online escapades though it did come up during an exchange with christine quinn. >> here's the profound difference. i apologized for my personal failure. the speaker refuses to apologize for the slush fund scandal and i've owned up to my personal failings.

i'm going to be honest with the citizens of the city and that's not something the speak keer ca say to the city. >> i think it's clear to say that neither me or any other new yorker should be anthony weiner by about what we need to apologize for ever. >> weiner has dropped another 6 six points and de blasio has double-digit support. >> like or don't like his politics, he's a likable guy. you saw two people up there -- >> have you talked to new yorkers? >> i have. >> people just doesn't like her. >> i think what emerges is the story potentially, finally.

but there is a follow-up to weiner's suggestion on monday that he knew what role his wife huma would play on hillary clinton's 2016 presidential campaign. here's what he said yesterday. >> is huma still working on the campaign? >> she's helping out every day. >> is -- do you know what her role in hillary's 2016 campaign is going to be? >> i do. >> what will it be? >> i'm note telling you. >> wow. last night the former congressman looked to dispel that notion. >> if you read the transcript, the question was do i know what my wife is doing. and the answer is yes. it's a joke. have you ever heard sometimes people say yes but if i tell you, i'd have to kill you. it was a joke. >> lau everyone laughed. it was a joke. >> a spokesman for hillary clinton said we have absolutely no idea what he was talking about.

maybe his campaign does. doubt it, though. >> in that statement you hear the contempt that hillary's people have for anthony. >> just a little bit. >> just a little bit. >> and they really want to separate themselves from the stink around the story. and, you know, kathleen, you're writing about the concept of hillary rodham clinton as the next candidate for president of the united states. given all of this here is what you say. "op-ed columns are filled with advice about what hillary needs to do. she needs a narrative, a message. it can't that she's a clinton or a woman. it has to be -- what? here's a thought. she can save the world, yes, all right, perhaps that's a trifle hyperbolic. but she has to start somewhere.

killer drones seem not to be having the desired effect. take it a step further because everyone's talking about it and there seems to be obviously with madam president and all these different organizations popping up that have nothing to do with hillary clinton that they're getting ready. >> absolutely. and i suspect hillary clinton is also getting ready. i know that you will relate with me on this and probably agree with me, if the world is ever going to be safe, women are going to do it. i think men being in charge for a good long while haven't been able to achieve the desired end. where women are most depressed, those nations tend to be the least stable and where women are more in power, the nations become stronger, healthier and sane person it seems as al qaeda is back on the rise and women are becoming a global economic

force that there's no one better suited to sort of lead that movement symbolically and as leader of the free world than hillary clinton. it's not an endorsement but let's look at it objectively. >> as secretary of state she was instrumental. everyone thought, okay, she was doing side projects, going around the problems and not dealing with serious issues, you could argue that that's exactly how you deal with a serious issue in a northern country, especially where women are severely oppressed. if you empower the women, you empower the people. >> the empowering women studies show, that is a huge way to move the ball forward. but to kathleen's point about hillary's -- i think it

interesting she chose voting rights at her first voting issue. i think it's really interesting that her next address is going to be about national security and transparency at a time when the president is grappling with those issues. here is the secretary of state, who has her own experience with issues of national security -- >> and transparency. >> and transparency, taking it by the horns, owning it early in the cycle. it will i think make things difficult for the white house in a sense because the president is still very much in the middle of that argument but it's a testament toy think hillary not shying away from building block foundational issues, some of which may be controversial and as lead-ins to an eventual candidacy. >> i love to talk about kathleen's kind of macro view, which i happen to think is brilliant. there's only one challenge in it. that works, if all the women of the word -- world, i don't think

the al qaedas of the world are going to be run by women so it falls apart a little bit. women plus women equals a plus to me. women and still men on the other side of the table -- >> the eradication of males -- >> theoretically the women would be a better place with women running it. it doesn't solve the problem -- >> nobody is assuming women are going to parachute into afghanistan. >> if you have two women down to negotiate something, it's going to get done. on our side of the equation we have a world that's still century behinds. >> there's no question, i mean, i agree of course with what you're saying and i did premise my column on a long gain. tease things have to start somewhere. just as democracy cannot be imposed on country, i think that

a lot of changes we're spelling for what but they are the mothers of sons and they can change things from internally over time if they feel safe and if they feel like they have support from people like us. >> kathleen is absolutely right. i think i know where you're coming from, although it's always difficult trying to decipher exactly where you're coming from. >> i'm trying to decide whether to ask you to explain yourself. >> there was a point. >> okay. >> the issue for hillary clinton i would think off of what kathleen has wrote this morning is what's the end game for her? how does she get to where she wants to go? it's more than just dealing with women voters here in the united states. it's dealing with everyone. and hillary clinton, no one's ever going to confuse her with being weak. that's never going to happen.

so she gets up there running for president and she says, look, when i'm president of the united states, your sons and daughters aren't going to go to war willy-nilly behind the backs of the united states senate or the house of representatives or the american people, your sons and daughters are going to have the chance at excellent preschool education and people are going to buy that because she's a mother, she's hillary clinton, she's a woman. and on the world stage, i think she's incredibly tough. >> she's tougher than anybody. i'm talking in this idealistic utopian place of women getting to the and making the world a better place, which i agree with. the problem is what we've learned throughout history is unanswered aggression breeds more aggression so we're going to tack on this more maternal -- >> be careful --

>> that's not happening with hillary clinton. >> i would be careful with this idea she's going to have a mammalian foreign policy -- >> then there's no story. if you say she's this tough, aggressive -- what's the difference? we're assigning these gender values to people which would make the world a better place. >> to debunk where you're going, if you talk to any higher ranking members ofs military, they would tell you among the strongest people they've encountered and dealt with in terms of shaping the military, hillary clinton. >> that's my whole point. >> we tend to overcorrect donnie. >> it's not that suddenly women are going to sit around, hold hands and sing. if you know anything about me, you know i'm not in that circle. but symbolically, seeing the most powerful nation in the

world elect a woman president tells women elsewhere and men elsewhere that women can lead and that they are qualified to the highest office in the land. it's a matter of -- listen, back in 1995 when hillary clinton went to beijing at the conference, she said something that was so normal and boiler plate but that was a revolutionary statement to all the women in the country, she said women's rights are human rights or human rights are women's rights. i may have it backwards. but the effect of it was to say women are human beings, too. just those little things we help there join us. i would love to to crew to jump on you and exorate you because i understand -- actually, i understand why people might take offense o what you said, even though you were trying to

actually contribute to conversation about the dynamics between men and women and -- >> i'm emvating women. >> and that's what i want to say because i know for a fact that your very large set of companies that you'll always elevated women to the highest levels because of the effective ways that they get business done. i just want to point out that you jumping into this conversation from a minupoint o >> i guess some of my points that have made them so successful -- >> i think it qualifies you to have this conversation. >> i always tell the story about a formula. in a saturday tv commercial about a boys game or girls game, it's always girl sitting around the table playing collaboratively. in a boys game, it always ends with i won. we get our point won. it's a valid point there. >> okay, this is interesting. speaking of like men and business and how they do

business. tim armstrong, the ceo of aol is apologizing after he abruptly fired an employee during a conference call late last week. more than 1,000 employees were on the call. here's the moment the worker was very public lily let go. >> abel, put that camera down right now. abel, you're fired. you're out. >> armstrong was upset about the camera. he writes "i am writing you to acknowledge the mistake i made last friday during the patch all-hands meeting when i publicly fired abel lenz. he's going on in great detail about patch. and what was i think a little bit jarring about that remark is that it was just so offhand and

then a guy was just fired and then he moved right back into his oratory about patch and whether or not you want to be a part it have and whether or not you' you'reinvested you'reinve invested in it. >> if you talk to people involved in it, there was a history between this guy armstrong and abel lenz. >> he said no pictures. >> he said no pictures and he wasn't pleased with the launch of patch and he suspected him of leak beiing things. it wasn't as if he did it completely on a whim. there was a history with this guy. >> you never, ever take somebody down publicly. on the other side, people have often said a good firing can be

a great motivator. not good for his image but he was saying to everybody you're on board or you're not. and although it humanely seems unappealing, from a management point of view, there is a tactic there. >> for someone who worked at aol and a lot of people were let go there, tim armstrong, a lot of people really like him. >> good guy. >> patch is his thing. it's an idea that tim had about local community based reporting. >> love it by the way. >> he feels incredibly responsible for it. think about the waters this guy has been sailing through this there there it's tough at times but if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. i don't know if it's publicly firing someone on an all hands conference call --

>> it drove home the point you're either a part of us or you're not. >> it is a testament of the difficulty of running a technical behemoth. >> on one side, it was his child, patch. so it was stressful, basically ending the business. he's not yell and screaming at the guy, "abel, you're fired." >> and he did not want pictures. >> also also we talked about that everything is -- it's one of those. >> kathleen parker, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> and johnny, thanks to you, too. >> kathleen, we'll talk offline, okay? >> oh, lord. >> no, don't! >> don't take the bait, kathleen! >> alex wagner, thank you as well. we'll see you coming up on

"now." >> noon eastern. >> i like the show. >> it's happening right now. >> but it's new. it's always happening. >> please, please, don't talk to them, okay? still ahead. >> come on! come on! >> he's the latest leader in the polls for mayor of new york city. we'll ask bill de blasio about his strategy with less than one month left in the primary. and what oprah and lee daniels reveal about "the butler." >> there's a scene where president kennedy has died and my husband, the butler, hasn't been home for three days. . >> don't say it. >> she's going to say it. >> you're watching "morning joe"

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what was the name of that movie? >> "in the heat of the night." >> "in the heat of the night" with sidney poitier? >> he's just acting white. sidney poitier is nothing but a rich uncle tom. >> look at you. all puffed up, coming here, saying whatever you want. up need to go. >> what? >> get the hell out of my house! >> i'm sorry, mr. butler, i didn't mean to make fun of your hero. >> everything you are and everything you have are from the

butler. >> that was a scene from "the butler," based on a true story of a white house butler who served eight presidents offer three decades and the tumultuous civil rights battles he witness z along the way. we sat down and asked them why they thought this story was so important to tell. >> this man is relentless. when we started working together, lee daniels, lee daniels the director, when we started working together on "precious" and i came in as executive producer because i just wanted to lift that up as high as i could, he said to me, you know, i'm frustrated, i'm frustrated with you. you're frustrated with me because i had -- >> you don't say that to oprah. you don't even wear shoestrings. how can you say that to oprah? >> he definitely did. i'm frustrating that i wasn't acting and i needed to do it.

>> because of she was so magnificent in "the color purple." >> that was two decades ago. >> you were april mazing. it was one of my favorite movies of that time. >> would you like to be my maid? >> hell no. >> what did you say? >> hell no. >> that performance is embedded in my head and you get frustrated she's just sort of doing her oprah thing and i want her to do my thing. >> it's not like it wasn't like one of the biggest things in the world to do. >> that took up a lot of my time and energy. and after "beloved," which was not received as well as i wanted it to be received, i sort of put that away. i just decided that, well, i guess that wasn't supposed to be, me being an actress, and the day job, as you know, takes up a lot of your time. >> how nervous were you going --

>> i wasser innous enough to to take his advice and get an acting coach. >> how did that work out? >> listen, this acting coach, who has worked with a lot of really great -- when she walks in the room, can't believe, that's you, that's the great susan? she came to my house and i said to her i had trouble crying. you wouldn't think that i would having seen me cry all the year on the oprah show. i do, i empathize but if a director says i need to you cry right now, i start getting anxiety about it. when i read the script and saw that there were some moments where gloria would need to go there, lee said call in susan. and susan sat with me for 20 minutes at my house in santa barbara. i was bawling on the sofa. and you're the first people i told this, i said i need a

confidentiality agreement because i have just now poured out my soul and i didn't have a confidentiality agreement. but she said good thing with that because you still have all the vulnerable spaces and if you're vulnerability and you can get in there, you can work on gloria and you can bring her out. >> let's talk about the movie. the concept's amazing. you look at it through the eyes of the butler, the eyes of the son. and it's this ongoing debate about race race relations in america. is it going in an incremental way? do we be more aggressive? look what happened over the past -- >> trayvon. trayvon is the emma till of our era. >> you look at it and you say we've come o long ways in 50 years and in some ways we haven't at all. >> i didn't do the movie for

that. the did the movie because it was a father/son love story and that transcends race. it's universal. i had a 13-year-old son at the time. i got a script. up nope, he's a teen-ager. i say white, he says black. i say night, he says day. >> how old is your son now? >> 17. >> i say goo g to bed, he says no. it really was a love story and with the civil rights movement in the back drop. >> something special's going on down here, dad. >> what's so special about another colored man? what are you doing with my heart -- are you even in school? >> i'm trying to change the way -- >> but the relationship, and we found this out over the past month or two, it's heart breaking for us to hear that black fathers still have to have the talk with their black sons.

son, if you get pulled over by the police, turn on the lights, keep your hands up. gene said, it's a matter of life or death. >> don't do or say anything that might be threatening. >> it makes the father/son relationship much more complicated. >> i'm sure you've had that conversation with your son, have you not? >> it's an embarrassing conversation to have. to be frank, i'd rather have the birds and the bees conversation. that's an easier conversation to explain why it is you can't get a taxi yet your neighbors that are right in front of you in the same soccer outfit in the rain can get a taxi and you can't. and why -- >> you'll have your assistant go out and hail a taxi because it's easier for your assistant to get a taxi than him. >>s so what's the answer when your son says why? >> what you're forgetting to say, may i remind you -- >> she's a director. >> what you're forgetting to say is that one of the reasons why

you wand to do this film is to explain in context to your son why when he goes into 7-eleven and he's being followed, why when he walks into the store and he's being followed and the son goes to a hoyty-toytie school and is not of this era and doesn't understand that. >> they don't know. they don't know the why. >> did you that very well, by the way. >> thank you. >> the why to this is happening. >> everyone says you're the man, got the raises and promotions. i had no idea. >> i had no idea. >> i wish i could take credit for that. >> i'd like to invite you to the state dinner next week. not as a butler, cecil. i'm inviting you as a guest. >> the generic question is what's it like to work with oprah? but what is it like? you were frustrated. you wanted to see the actress in her come out.

i agree with you, i saw "the color purple." having said that, she is oprah. how do you take control of that situation? >> i was a little nervous at first. but it wasn't her, it was me. >> that's right. >> it was me. i'm dealing with what my perception is and what all that is. but when she -- when you see someone come to set alone with just one person taking you back and forth in your car and you see the -- her nervousness, her humility, her rawness, her openness to take direction, her fragility and vulnerability -- >> fragility, a good word. >> i'm not just saying that because you're here. when you see all that, you feel protective because, you know, because she's oprah and -- >> she came to work. >> the the first day i came to work -- i came to work the first day, though, fighting for gloria

because there were some things we were upset with in the script. >> we can't say. >> yeah, we can. >> can you? >> first of all, i had done the work and i knew who she was. so there's a scene where the president kennedy has died and my husband, the butler, hasn't been home for three days and in the original script when he comes home -- >> don't say it! >> i can't say the word but he had three f bombs from her when her husband comes home. i said that's completely unrealistic and lee was like she's upset, she's upset and p and she's lonely. but during that time in the united states, i'm older than you are, she would have been sitting in front of the television. she would have seen lee harvey oswald get shot by jack ruby. the whole country went into the same mood and shock that we did when 9/11 happened. so that is completely --

>> i didn't care. the only reason why i swayed her way was that she started crying. >> i was saying -- >> she started crying. >> i said this is not the character! >> she's going to pull those tears on me. >> mika will tell you on "morning joe" if i need to get something done, i start crying and she just completely -- >> that's good. i wasn't crying for myself hp i just thought it was so wrong. and also, if he had his way, he wanted another -- he wanted me rolling in the bed with my next door neighbor, played by terence howard. >> right. >> we finished one scene he was like we've written another scene, it's the two of you in the bed. i'm going she cannot go to bed and seen in the bed, in her husband's bed, in the bed -- >> you just wanted to get oprah in bed. >> that's what he wanted. >> that is disgraceful!

>> that's what he wanted. >> that was a fun interview. more coming up. "the butler" is out in theaters this friday. be sure to see it. it looks -- >> it looks amazing. and you said it was great. >> we have more. more of our revealing conversation with oprah winfrey and lee daniels later in the show. coming up next, they're 16 of the country's newest millionaires and they have some interesting stories to tell. they're very likable. the powerball winners known as ocean's 16. "morning joe" will be right back. ♪ there's a wild wind blowing down the corner of my street ♪ let's get the ball rolling. in houston, coca-cola's club balón rojo, is kicking off fun and fitness on and off the field, with the help of soccer stars.

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my fellow new yorkers, this is a problem. you know, they all come from basically the same place. they've been part of municipal government for decades now. the only difference between speaker quinn and de blasio is speaker quinn has been more successful. she got elected speaker and bill's never got over it. >> joining us now mayoral candidate bill de blasio, have you gotten over it? >> i've gotten over it. >> he's become the new front-runner in the democratic nomination. that's good news. >> i attribute it to my last appearance on "morning joe." the "morning joe bounce."

>> we hear that happens with books. maybe it happens with mayors as well. what do you think defines the race? who is going to be your biggest challenger? >> the issue is going to be the question about the quality and the fact that new york city has increasingly become a place riddled with disparity. who will be the most obvious challenger? today it could be christine quinn but that could change. >> when you talk about disparity and the need for equality, does the stop & frisk ruling play into that? >> absolutely. the sharpest disspart has been two different approaches to policing, depending on what downtown you live in and the judges ruling put a very, very fiend point on the issue. the judge said what what we've been doing is unconstitutional, discriminatory and has had a boom ever ainge effect between

police and community. it's actually making us less safe in the long run. >> as a new yorker, as i said, i'm not a young black man and i've never been frisked so i can't have empathy. having said that, though, it has made us safer. there have been 240,000 arrests that would have not happened and 930% are happening with young african-american males and hispanic males but 92% of the crime is coming from there. so the argument is it's good policing. a lot of new yorkers, though part of those feel bad about it, it's working. >> you can't have a discriminatory approach and say somehow it's okay. >> as a business person, it's called target marketing. if nine out of ten people are -- committing crimes are women, you should stop nine out of tn women because that's actually -- >> the other fact is police statistics show that 90% of

those stopped are innocent in every way, shape and form. so what we have here -- >> 10% are guilty. >> you know what the most common charge is? a small amount of marijuana possession. this has not made us safer. some guns were found and i'm glad. but you would have found a lot more guns if police and community were communicating effectively. and that relationship, let me tell you, talk to parents, talk to grnd parents whose kids have been stopped repeatedly, even though they're good, law abiding kid. the only problem was they happen to be kid of color. if police stop communicating and working together, that's what gets in the way. >> there are also a lot of members of the community, african-american and his span ib, who are the biggest victims of the crime, they're okay with it. >> they want aggressive police bug not unconstitutional policing. >> dr. sachs? >> i think it's interesting to

note the federal government has reached the same conclusion, this isn't working. that's why the attorney general two days ago made a great reversal of this kind of arbitrary crackdown. so this is passe. it just doesn't work. >> i don't know if you can say it just doesn't work. it's not proven. >> it's also not working. >> there are statistics showing it is working. >> but it doesn't have to stop. the policy just has to be done right and then you may still have those arrests but you don't have the discrimination and the breeding of resentment and the harassment that comes along with it. >> let's get to another perhaps more universal issue. if you buy into the concept, as i think you might, that there are increasingly two new yorks, as there are two americas in terms of income and equality, one of the approaches to dealing with this is beef up early childhood education, you know. age 4 and 5 through age 9 and

10, grab them, keep them in the school, sustain them in the school, give them much more support because many of the kids are poor, come from single-parent homes. if that's what you want to do, if that is part of what you want to do for new york city, how do you afford it? >> i've called for a tax on the wealthiest new yorkers, folks who make a half million or more. it's a modest tax but it would make all the difference in the world when it comes to early childhood education, it would guarantee all day pre-k. right now 50,000 kids qualify for pre-k but don't get full day pre-k. we wonder why we have huge educational disparities and a lot of kids for whom the school system just doesn't work. everyone has come to the realization that early childhood. >> case is the most fundamental investment we can make but also the great equalizer. we need more revenue to do its are fine. let's tax those who make a half

million or more and we can get this done and change the future of the city. >> dr. sachs. >> i think it's an amazing proposal because it's exactly what the evidence shows. the highest return you can get is with the young kids because it a boom of wealth at the top. it's not that it's just holding its own. we've got the most millionaires, the most billionaires. the idea of a tiny surcharge at the top directed at making sure that every child gets a start is absolutely the best evidence -- it's exactly what the economic evidence is. >> if a child is not at grade level by third grade, their chances of graduating become quite small. >> that's right. >> that's why we have to get them early. >> just real quick, theory, it's better for you if weiner stays in the race. you're the front-runner. the more it's not about you versus the others and you stay there. >> let me answer that for you. i'm not going to comment because i like everybody involved -- >> as the front-runner -- >> i love it, perfect.

>> does it make sense though what donny's saying? >> i think what matters is we're actually talking about issues. the side show is actually dissipating. we talked about this last time. the debate last night. we talked about issues. not about one guy's personal situation and that's what's good. >> all right, bill de blasio, it's always good to have you on the shot. still ahead, how the president's health care law is impacting small businesses and the workers struggling to make ends meet. lisa myers has a sobering report when "morning joe" comes right back. right now, 7 years of music is being streamed. a quarter million tweeters are tweeting. and 900 million dollars are changing hands online. that's why hp built a new kind of server. one that's 80% smaller. uses 89% less energy. and costs 77% less. it's called hp moonshot. and it's giving the internet the room it needs to grow. this&is gonna be big.

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the obama administration is facing setbacks in rolling out the new health care law. as nbc's investigative reporter lisa myers explains, workers are facing new obstacles in how it impacts them personally and professionally. >> reporter: this person has worked at a subway franchise in maine for a decade. he recently was told his hours would be cut to 29 a week. >> it's very tough. i'm scratching by as it is with overtime. >> reporter: luke's boss, lauren, who owns 21 subway franchises, says it's all because of the new health care law. employers must provide health care insurance to anyone working

30 or more hours a week. he says his small business can't afford that. so he's cutting hours for 50 of his workers. >> losing five or six hours a week, you know, that's $50 a week or a couple hundred a month. that's a car payment. >> reporter: we spoke to almost 20 small businesses and other entities across the country. almost all said that because of the new law, they'd be cutting back hours for some employees. >> anytime you see, that's on. >> reporter: at st. petersburg college in florida, 250 part-time professors has had their hours reduced. >> it has been the hardest decision i've had to make. and i hope that we can work our way through it to a better answer than we're able to give today. >> reporter: part-time math professor trace sullivan lost half her income. >> i never thought it would impact me directly. i was stunned when i got the e-mail. >> reporter: the president's top economic adviser tells us he sees no systemic evidence the health care law is having an

adverse impact on the number of hours employees are working. >> the administration says this isn't a problem. it's not happening. >> it is happening. >> reporter: joseph hanson is president of a union that generally supports obama care. he says discount stores already are cut workers to 29 hours and unionized grocery stores want to follow suit. >> you'll see a tremendous impact as workers have their hours reduced and their incomes reduced. >> reporter: the white house has delayed the employee mandate for a year. many businesses like luke perfect subway are still preparing for the cuts. >> that was lisa myers reporting. so a lot of these companies are making profit, right? >> but the argument, arbitrarily double the salaries of fast food worker, so you either have free enterprise or don't. who's to say next sporting goods people -- it's unfortunate if your a worker --

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good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. as you take a live look at new york city. what a beautiful day. welcome back to "morning joe," everybody. we have mike barnicle, donny deutsch, dr. jeffrey sachs and in washington, jeremy peters. our conversation with oprah winfrey, we're going to have it on today, director lee daniels as well on their powerful new film "the butler." what oprah reveals that lee daniels didn't want anyone to hear. it's a fun interview. plus, did you see this on the front page of "the new york times"? about ambien basically. i'll admit it, i did, i stopped. no? >> i'm afraid. >> i read it is stothe story, i

you driving to work. >> yeah, i did it. the faa is being pushed to look at when you take these sleep aids like ambien and others, and there are lots on the market, they want to look at how safely it puts people to sleep but also how safely they wake up and whether or not they should be behind the wheel of a car. i'll tell you from personal experience -- am i really the only person at the table who has taken an ambien? >> i'm afraid. >> you are the amelia earhart of ambien. >> you know what that means? i'm the woman at the table who did all the bad shifts. you all said, no, not going to do it. >> where you the next day -- >> a couple actually. i have talked to a lot of people who have taken it and weird things -- you know, the eating -- >> if you wake up early on it, you have no recollection of what

went on. people come down to the kitchens and there's three boxes of count chocola gone. >> ia eighate a big batch of n t nuttella. i just spoke to a "60 minutes" correspondent about this and i said, you should do a piece on this, because this is going to be at some point a really big story. there are going to find there are common links. there already are but i think it's going to add up in the data. >> you're kind of displaying that now. >> okay, wow, i'm all alone on this, huh? jeremy, have you ever taken an ambien? >> i have. just like you, i stopped because of the exact reasons outlined in the story. >> thank you. thank you. aren't you a nice person?

you all are a bunch of -- >> what do you want us to say? >> i will give you the list of drugs. >> we don't have time for that. >> it's only a three-hour show. >> we'll get back to you in the c block, okay? >> i want to say a year or more so ago. i just would rather not sleep then risk -- >> what are we on now? >> we're on tv actually. let's raise the bar and talk about anthony weiner, shall we? we're going to start with the may oral debate. he is not going without a fight. in last night's debate, democratic contender, they took everything, all of them from term limits to split tactics and talked about these issues. the candidates largely stayed away from weiner's online escapades. the issue did come up during an exchange with christine quinn. take a look. >> here's the profound

difference. i've apologized for my personal behavior. the speaker refuses to apologize for overturning the will of the people for the slush fund scandal and for things in her professional record. that's the difference. i've owned up to my personal failings. but i have a record that i'm proud of. and i'm going to be honest with the citizens of this city and that's not something the speaker can claim. >> i think it's very clear to all new yorkers that neither me nor anybody else on this stage or any new yorker, quite frankly, should be lectured by anthony weiner about what we need to apologize for tonight or ever. >> according to a new quinnipiac university poll, bill de blasio has surged up to the lead. weiner has dropped another six points. and now barely has double digit support. there's a clinton angle to this we'll get to. bill de blasio, who we had open t on the show today. i'd like to hear back from

christine quinn and bring her on shot. it's very interesting with the stop and frisk verdict and the third term issue which mayor bloomberg pushed for and got. against what many believe is fair politics. and i think that could hurt her. even though she's a really strong candidate. i like her a lot. but between sort of the after math of stop and frisk and some of the policies that he's pushed that i love that haven't worked or haven't gone through, there may be kind of a move away to bloomberg as being, like the era that is -- >> there are two things that i think are hurting her. number one, all politics is pendulum. we've had these two very big figures in giuliani and bloomberg. you really, as the anti-bloomberg, which is de blasio, he's like new math, like old school, which is not going

to be good for new york, but at least it's that pendulum swing that always seems to happen. >> i agree on that because -- the right side of these issues, one after another. and that's quite impressive. >> quinn. people vote for people who they like. she's just not likable to a lot of people. >> i don't know about that. >> there's something at the end of the day that is just a lot of people -- >> i think she's kind of real. >> real or not real, she doesn't -- you talk to a lot of people, men and women. they just don't like her. >> really? >> yeah. >> okay, dr. sachs? >> i think what's interesting is de blasio's surge. i think the reason is he's been on the right side of every issue and he's really picking up the move right now. let's get some of these things done that haven't been done for years. >> right. >> and his call for, really, addressing the schools at the right way, with preschool and so forth, is really resonating. he had the sick leave and got that exactly right. stop and frisk.

got that right. people recognize this is a strong candidate. >> got it right according to him. there are a lot of new yorkers, myself included, who is a moderate, a liberal, but yet has recognized the tougher right of center of both giuliani and our current mayor have worked for the city. i mean, that's the harsh reality. >> for part of it i think is his point, you know, when he talks about a tale of two cities, he has a really strong point. >> if you watch that campaign, it's clear that everybody's painting christine quinn as a fourth term of bloomberg. >> which is what she wanted, isn't it? >> in fact, she was speaker of the city council when he was awarded the chance to get a third term and that's being hung around her neck as well. >> interesting balance. there was also a follow up to weiner's suggestion on monday that he knew what role his wife huma would play on hillary clinton's 2016 presidential campaign. if you remember, we played this

yesterday. it's worth looking at again. i saw it the way everybody else did but he's now turning on it. take a look. >> is huma still working on the campaign? >> she's helping out every day. >> is -- do you know what her role in hillary's 2016 campaign is going to be? >> i do. >> what will it be? >> i'm not telling you. >> so last night the former congressman, he was asked about that and he tried to dispel the notion. take a look. >> if you read the transcript, the question was, do i know what my wife is doing. the answer is yes. it's a joke. have you ever heard sometimes people say yes, but if i tell you, i'd have to kill you. it was a joke. everyone laughed. it was a joke. >> all right. following weiner's comments, a spokesman for hillary clinton said, quote, we have absolutely no clue what he was talking about. maybe his campaign does. doubt it though. so they're not happy clearly.

corey booker took a major step toward becoming new jersey's next u.s. senator with a commanding victory in the state's democratic primary. with 98% reporting, booker won a clear majority. >> they say that i, they say that we, are being naive. to them i say, have you ever met us? do you know where i've been working for the last 17 years? do you know that -- do you know that this is newark, new jersey, and we don't do naive! >> would be better if he was holding a baby that he just saved, right, don't you think? he now faces the republican, who easily won his primary last night and is gearing up for the october special election. >> mayor corey booker has an advantage. he's been anointed by hollywood.

the hollywood elite have descended from their penthouse apartments in the bel air hotel. >> moving on to awkward now. san diego mayor bob filner. >> our guy. >> incredible. >> i was going to put this in news you can't use. i was thinking i'd submit it to your list. >> it belongs there. >> wahat's bobby up to? >> hosting a face of criticism obviously. people are calling for him to resign. and now a restaurant chain is getting into the mix. >> not just any restaurant chain. >> this is mcdonald's? >> hooter's. hooter's restaurant in the san diego area. they've posted a sign saying they will not serve him. >> can you imagine?

can you imagine being banned from a hooter's? >> a restaurant that focuses on boobs, okay. the sign cites respect for women. >> what was that? >> i'm laughing at hooter's right now. i'm just moving on. it's stupid. stupid. in detroit, where -- >> it's a great country. let me finish. it's where capitalism, pop culture, first amendment politics all come together. >> at hooter's. >> sometime there's a moment of clarity. that was that moment. >> i'm holding my script close to my face because i'm legally blind and my contacts don't work right now. in detroit, a police commander has mistakenly released a document containing a -- you guys are going to -- >> come on. >> what are we doing here? >> it's like the fake news.

>> i won't do it. >> no. you can't tease it -- >> the public has a right to know. >> i'm going to -- >> in detroit, the police commander has mistakenly released a document con inthattiinthat i containing the bra sizes of several command officers. intended to notify the superiors who received bulletproof vests. i mean, come on. come on. now back to you. >> hello, san diego. >> mhello, san diego. >> i have to ask the question. >> don't do it. >> as a journalist. are there bulletproof bras? >> no, it's a vest. >> the justice department is looking to block the merger between american airlines and u.s.us airway s. it would prevent the creation of the world's largest airline.

nbc's tom costello reports. >> reporter: for months, promoting their merger as a big win for customers. >> who have not only become a bigger -- >> reporter: the government and a bipartisan group of attorneys general from six states and d.c. moved to block the deal. saying the new airline would be too big. reducing the number of big carriers from four to three. >> they tend to contract the market. you have less routes, less choices, higher prices, less people trying to please you. >> reporter: some passenger rights advocates are applauding. >> no new destinations and we lost competition. that's what i was really concerned about. >> reporter: the government argues the merged airline would dramatically cut competition since they compete directly on 1,000 routes already. but american and us airways insist they compete on just 12 routes. in a joint statement, they vow to fight the government in court. saying blocking this

pro-competitive merger will deny customers access to more choices. business analysts say merging makes good sense. >> this industry has a track record of too many planes and too many players. unless they can tighten up profitability, it's going to be a badly damaged industry. >> reporter: the proposed american/us airways deal would be the latest megamerger. but is it good for passengers who now pay more for luggage, leg room, even sodas? >> the prices are no longer competitive, then i would be unhappy. >> if you're not providing the services, they're going to go to another airline. >> coming up on "morning joe," four years ago, president obama cited a limit on out of pocket costs as a key component to the health care law. now that provision is being delayed. and it could have a big impact on what patients pay.

congressman meeks and republican lankford will debate the setback of obama care. first, the co-star and director of the must-see movie "the butler." lee daniels and oprah winfrey. >> we're so honored it's the two of you. >> i'm honored it's the two of you. >> that's a love fest. wow. okay. first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >> good morning to you, mika. before i get to your forecast, want to bring everyone up to date on some breaking news down in the alabama area. the airport there. there's been a cargo plane crash. this is new pictures we're just getting in. the faa says it's a u.p.s. cargo plane. crashed about 6:00 a.m. binghamton shuttles worth international airport. coming from louisville, kentucky. that's the hub for u.p.s. there.

the faa says the go team will be on ground about 10:00 a.m. typically on these planes, it's a pilot and co-pilot. the mayor is saying right now they do not know the fate of those two. that's what we're waiting to hear. hopefully they escaped. you can see from pictures, flames were everywhere. as far as the weather, usually with these crashes, you wonder if the weather caused it. it was cloudy. visibility was about ten miles. so the weather concerns, not really an issue with that crash. we'll see if mechanical problems are to blame. as far as the forecast goes today around the country, still very hot in areas of texas yesterday. it's changing a little bit. we had some thunderstorms cool you off in dallas and ft. worth. those are leaving. i think the airports will be okay. they're around dallas and ft. worth. it will warm up for a beautiful afternoon. kind of feeling like an early fall day out there. 73 in chicago. 76 in new york. 79 in washington, d.c.

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welcome back to "morning joe." the reviews are in and critics are wairaving about oprah's new film with director lee daniels. oprah was just one actor in a star-studded cast. in our second installment of the interview, they talked about

what it was like to work with jane fonda, forest whitaker, robin williams, just to name a few. >> everybody knows you are elevated by the people around you. i was elevated by forest whitaker. at the end of the day, this is forest's movie. >> you know he got that job himself. the white house called him. he didn't call the white house. >> i want to hear all the stories. >> they done swore him to some kind of secret code and he can't tell me nothing. >> when i saw this film for the first time, i could not speak and later lee goes, i'm very upset with you, you didn't say anything about the film. i couldn't even speak. all i could feel was the essence of what he had done. he allowed us to see the soul of that guy. not just eugene allen who he portrays, but that guy is my father, my uncles, everybody from that generation. they get up and go to work every day.

that is their way of fighting the war. they experience either directly or indirectly exactly what the butler experiences when he goes in and asks and says, i think the colored needs to be paid the same as the whites. and the guy doesn't even look at him. this movie is really about two different ways to protest. the butler, in his own way, you know, hanging in there, maintaining the dignity, the hard work, the perseverance, that multitudes of african-american families have shown over the years. in spite of the face of racism and discrimination. that's one way to war. and then the son, as a freedom writer, was another way. >> and how we were just talking about the talk, that african-american fathers still have to have with their sons, how frightening for a father. >> yes, and even in the film -- >> in the '60s -- >> -- my character says, you better get yourself here, get yourself home, because they're going to kill you. believe me, that talk was pervasive then. >> i don't know that i could --

i don't know that i'm man enough to have taken a bullet for a cause. i can take a bullet for my kids easy. but to get up and know that i can be killed to vote, to sit next to you. i -- no, i don't think that -- they were heroes. don't you think? >> yes, for sure. ask forest that question when he's here. he has a beautiful answer for that. floored me. made me feel like a coward. >> at what -- we said this again when we started having all these conversations on air with gene robinson after trayvon. about the talk. >> amazing conversations. >> i said i don't know that i would be man enough after being pulled over the third and fourth time and being shoved on the front of the hood and frisked -- >> made to panic. >> i don't know that i would be man enough to stop from swinging at the cop. >> or panic. >> that's the decision though that the butler made. keep his head down.

keep working. lee daniels the butler. keep working. keep doing it quietly. while his son decided he just had to go another route. >> you know why the son would feel that? because that's what evolution is. that's what evolving, growth and change really is. because the son didn't grow up on a share cropper's plantation. the son lived in washington, d.c. the son saw the open door to possibility in his life. the father still is carrying the pain and the burden of the past. and feels like, you know, the son didn't have to get off the street when white people pass by. so he's think, well what are you doing that for? >> in a way, the factor's doing what he's doing for the son and the son as a response is doing what he's doing ultimately for what he sees as an injustice or for his father. i would like to hear about some of the other cameos. it's incredible. i mean, even short -- like interlulds in the movie you have incredible names.

>> robin williams as ike, never saw it happen. >> maria. >> vanessa red grave. >> amazing. >> for her to say those powerful words to begin our film with is just -- >> jane fonda. >> he had jane fonda. >> listen, i had -- my scenes were with nancy, with nancy, with jane. jane said to me after the first day, who is this guy, she goes, this guy has me terrified. i go, oh, he just does that on purpose. >> i don't. >> what does he do to terrify jane fonda? >> first of all, you'll be in the middle of a scene. because jane said the same thing i said the first time. he keeps saying, don't, no acting, throw it away. give me half of that. half of that. now an eighth of that. now throw it away. at the end of the movie, i gave him three t-shirts that said that. half of that. throw it away. >> you should have rolled on that. >> yes, yes. >> before we go, i would love to

ask her about own because, you know -- >> you should because i'd love to tell you. >> things are going really well now. >> yes, things are going really well. >> when it wasn't going well,well, everybody was -- >> i had no idea. because we -- early on, gayle, interview with gayle. if i'd gone down another hallway, there was actually -- there was like this huge glass that said in case of danger, you know, crack the glass and out walks tyler perry. you had it. that guy. holy cow. what a team. >> having tyler perry come to join us on own really helped us turn things around. we're in the process of doing that even before "have nots" arrived at "love thy neighbor." i have this wonderful team. eric logan.

when i was doing the oprah show all those years. and we just sort of dug in. and last year, said we were climbing kilimanjaro, you know, now we are profitable. >> what has been the steepest learning curve for you starting a network? >> oh, my goodness. >> there's so many i'm sure. >> the steepest learning curve is you've got to surround yourself with people who don't just talk about the vision but know how to execute it. whether you're starting a cupcake company, whether you're starting a motion picture business. you got to have people who can execute. >> so they don't just talk, they execute. you fired all the men at own. i always said, i always said early on, i learned this early on, if you want people to talk about getting things done, hire a man. if you want people to get things done. >> get the women in there. >> hire the women. other than lee daniels the butler. >> i think it's leadership. comes down to first of all me

putting myself in the position of ceo. i was reluctant to do that. but i think when you're start something that means this much to you, just anybody who's ever started a business knows this. that you've got to get in there yourself. and in the beginning, certainly, not maintain -- not try to control everything, but you've got to at least give direction to people. so that the vision is yours. and on track. >> so, lee, are you going to talk her into acting again? >> oh, yeah. >> what's next? >> he wants more. >> i'm reeling her in. i'm reeling her in. >> very good. >> we're so honored that it's the two of you. >> oh, i'm honored it's the two of you. >> it's the two of you. >> yes, exactly. thank you. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> love fest. the butler is out in theaters this friday. great reviews. go see it. coming up, congressman gregory meeks and james lankford on the new delay in obama care that some medical groups say will keep patients waiting for care. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe."

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they get sick. >> that was president obama addressing congress in 2009 about a key aspect to his health care law. but now we've learned it will be another full year till the government limits out of pocket costs for health coverage. the provision the president was discussing there. a report in "the new york times" explains how federal officials delayed the part of the law that allowed the cap. the report says the administration felt employers needed more type to implement the policy because their could pewter systems needed to be upgraded. joining us on set is democratic representative from new york congressman gregory meeks. in okay city, congressman lankford. mike barnicle, donny deutsch and brian schachtman join us as well. >> the congressman represents the district where i grew up.

>> we'll try not to hold that against you. it's okay. you need a diverse population. all right. so congressman, let's start with you. it's got to be hard at this point. and what's the challenge in defending this law that seems to get -- kind of get shot down at every turn, whether it be economic factors or access to care? actual implementation of it? >> i don't see it being shot down. i think that any time you have a bill that's substantial, that's big. there's no perfect bill. i've never seen a perfect bill. >> it's a chilliallenge to defe. people don't understand it. >> when social security first came out, people didn't understand that completely. when medicare came out, people didn't understand that completely. over type, we developed and we got it right. the fact of the matter is, when the constitution came out, people didn't understand that. there were problems in the constitution. we didn't say get rid of the constitution. we fixed it. what the president is doing here is saying that -- listening to all the people. he's the president of all the

people. business, consumers, otherwise. there's a problem. when there's a problem, let's fix it so it works for everybody. that's simply what's happening here. it's like a car. when people come up with a new product, they try to fix the glitches. it doesn't mean you get rid of the product. >> it's not like anyone else can get health care. it certainly wasn't going to be easy. >> the goal is -- i mean, i don't think anyone could disregard the goal. is to give every american, the 30 million americans who don't have health care, to make sure they have health care. why. >> that brings down the cost of health care for everybody. >> but that's a long time away. let's bring in congressman james langford. and i think the challenge on your side of this argument, sir, might be, tell me if you disagree, the divisions within your own party. as to how to fight this. if it's such an important fight to you. you guys can't even agree as to whether to bring it down or change it or what. >> well, the challenge really is for the people back in my district. we're trying to do whatever we can to protect the people of my

district from the harmful effects of this law. there's good mode vasion to try to cover people, but the actual rolling out of the law and what it actually does. it doesn't cover the uninsured 30 million people. the cbo says ten years from now 30 million people are still going to be uninsured. the business mandates are not working well. it costs too much to be able to implement that. so they're delaying that for a year. this is another delay on the cap for a year. this is the affordable care act. the more they roll it out, the more they find out how expensive it is for businesses. someone in a town hall meeting last night in my district says their son who normally pays over $200 a month for insurance just got his insurance for next year. it's going to be over $800 for him next year. he's a person in his 20s. this catastrophically large insurance he can't cover. major issues that have to be fixed. >> if he's in his 20s, under 25 or 26 -- >> he's not, he's over. >> he's over that age.

okay. so you mentioned the word "harmful" effects. what would be the harmful effects on your constituents who currently have no health insurance? what harmful effects will be imposed upon them? >> well, let me give you an example. i had someone about three weeks ago. for those in poverty called insure oklahoma. a plan we developed as a state to cover people who are uninsured. he'll have to lose that insurance. he doesn't know what the exchanges are. he said to me, i don't want to lose my insure oklahoma. we asked for a waiver. cms and the white house denied that request. that's one. i mentioned already this gentleman that's gone from just over 200 to 800. there are physicians leaving their practice. there are serious issues. we've reached a time where lots folks are denying this problem is out there. the closer we get, the more we see there are real problems.

we really see real problems with issues. >> congressman meeks, legitimate issues? it sounds like real numbers. >> the problem we have, as i see it, is ordinarily, we would get down and work together to try to figure out what we could do, what we could compromise. we've done over 40 tyimes, vote to abolish the bill. we haven't talked about problems. we haven't talked about how we fix problems. the only thing we talk about is to get rid of the bill. i would think what we should do, and i think the president would be amenable, if we would sit down and try to work out, as the president has done. clearly these two fixes the president is looking at is because he heard from people. they made a point. he agreed. therefore, there's a delay. >> the question really is, how does that happen? because there are very few people at this table that would disagree that voting 40 times to repeal it doesn't help anybody. these delays are now -- three major ones i believe. is there an existential problem here? we're delaying it because we

don't have a solution even on those that support this? >> no, because if you look at the overall good of the bill, those things are still being accomplished. as just indicated. if you have a kid that's under 26 years old, they're now still covered. if you a pre-existing condition, you're not going to be charged more. you can't be charged more because you're a woman. those things are going to be effect now. we don't want to get rid of those things. >> are the fundamentals good in this law? >> the ideas are good. the problem is the execution of it and where it's being carried out. when it's happening in oklahoma, when we're working hard to be able to cover the peeople. we worked out specific ways. what happens on a large global scale like this, it shifts for everything. take for instance the people 25 or under on that. that's a nice thing to have happen. the problem is now someone who's covered under their parent's insurance that actually goes out and gets a subsidy because they live in another state. they could face a penalty in the days ahead. what happens in a person actually signs up for the

insurance, gets it s the subsi then in three months stops paying the premium? the federal contingovernment cos to pay their portion for the year. you find out this is a large -- this whole thing could be done in a much simpler way. the challenge is not -- >> -- i think if it could be done in a simpler way, it would have been done. we have to leave it there. congressmen, thank you so much. up next, one tweet from this billionaire investor sing single-handedly boosted apple stock by 5% yesterday and he wants it to go even higher. we'll tell you what carl icahn is saying next. ♪

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all right, 45 past the hour. apple got a huge boost from billionaire investor carl icahn yesterday. he tweeted that his investment group had a large stake in apple and he believes the company is extremely undervalued. the stock instantly jumped and by the end of the day, it finished up 5% at $489.57. in an interview, aye con said he believes the stock is worth at least 625 buck ace share and would like to see the company free up more cash for the investors. >> this is part of the brilliance of being someone like carl icahn. just yesterday alone, in two hours, he made $50 million profit. apple has like $150 billion in cash. if he forces them to do a big dividend, he gets all this money in the dividend. he gets the appreciation in the

stock. because people think he's smart money. >> what's your instinct on when he sells? >> according to these filings, you don't have to know exactly when he sells. he could be out of the stock right now and we don't know it. >> talk about one person making a difference. this is really awkward. tim armstrong, ceo of aol, he's apologizing after he abruptly fired an employee during a conference call. more than 1,000 employees were on the call. it's very quick, but here's the moment the worker was very publicly let go. >> if you don't use tax as a product and you're not invested, you owe it to everybody else at patch to leave. if you think what's going on right now is a joke, and you want to joke around about it, you should pick your stuff up and leave patch today. the reason is, i'm going to be very specific about this, is patch, from an experience -- put that camera down right now.

you're fired. out. >> ooh. that was just -- >> well, patch, the local news -- >> i love patch. >> that was, you know, tim's big idea, that was his baby. under a lot of stress. it was fracturing. it wasn't working. laying people off. so he does that. nothing is off the record anymore. >> oh, gosh, it's not. armstrong issued an apology. writing, the mistake i made during the patch all hands meeting when i publicly fired abel lenz. it was an emotional response at the start of a difficult discussion. i am the ceo and leader of the organization and i take that responsibility seriously. >> the guy's still out of a job. >> he's still out of the job. >> he's still most definitely fired. we know everything is on the record. we talk all the time with the globe. local news, there's a market. i think armstrong shows outside

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for morning joe when you have hairspray in your contact lenses because you end up with stories like that. mike barnicle. if it's way too early, what time is it? >> ordinarily, it's time for "morning joe" but right now it's time for our old pal peter alexander sitting in for chuck todd. peter, take it away, buddy. massive explosions from a cargo plane crash this morning in birmingham, alabama. no word right now on the condition of the u.p.s. crew who was flying that plane. we'll have the very latest update from the national transportation safety board. also this hour, another former member of congress on his way to prison. jesse jackson jr. awaits his fate for committing fraud with campaign money. we're going to get the latest from the federal courthouse here in washington, d.c. and cory booker cruising to the democratic nomination for u.s. senate in new jersey. just 9% of the state turned out to vote. that's right. single